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translation the word has been rendered in different places either



Temperance or Wisdom; as the connection seemed to require:  for in the



philosophy of Plato (Greek) still retains an intellectual element (as



Socrates is also said to have identified (Greek) with (Greek):  Xen。 Mem。) 



and is not yet relegated to the sphere of moral virtue; as in the



Nicomachean Ethics of Aristotle。







The beautiful youth; Charmides; who is also the most temperate of human



beings; is asked by Socrates; 'What is Temperance?'  He answers



characteristically; (1) 'Quietness。'  'But Temperance is a fine and noble



thing; and quietness in many or most cases is not so fine a thing as



quickness。'  He tries again and says (2) that temperance is modesty。  But



this again is set aside by a sophistical application of Homer:  for



temperance is good as well as noble; and Homer has declared that 'modesty



is not good for a needy man。'  (3) Once more Charmides makes the attempt。 



This time he gives a definition which he has heard; and of which Socrates



conjectures that Critias must be the author:  'Temperance is doing one's



own business。'  But the artisan who makes another man's shoes may be



temperate; and yet he is not doing his own business; and temperance defined



thus would be opposed to the division of labour which exists in every



temperate or well…ordered state。  How is this riddle to be explained?







Critias; who takes the place of Charmides; distinguishes in his answer



between 'making' and 'doing;' and with the help of a misapplied quotation



from Hesiod assigns to the words 'doing' and 'work' an exclusively good



sense:  Temperance is doing one's own business;(4) is doing good。







Still an element of knowledge is wanting which Critias is readily induced



to admit at the suggestion of Socrates; and; in the spirit of Socrates and



of Greek life generally; proposes as a fifth definition; (5) Temperance is



self…knowledge。  But all sciences have a subject:  number is the subject of



arithmetic; health of medicinewhat is the subject of temperance or



wisdom?  The answer is that (6) Temperance is the knowledge of what a man



knows and of what he does not know。  But this is contrary to analogy; there



is no vision of vision; but only of visible things; no love of loves; but



only of beautiful things; how then can there be a knowledge of knowledge? 



That which is older; heavier; lighter; is older; heavier; and lighter than



something else; not than itself; and this seems to be true of all relative



notionsthe object of relation is outside of them; at any rate they can



only have relation to themselves in the form of that object。  Whether there



are any such cases of reflex relation or not; and whether that sort of



knowledge which we term Temperance is of this reflex nature; has yet to be



determined by the great metaphysician。  But even if knowledge can know



itself; how does the knowledge of what we know imply the knowledge of what



we do not know?  Besides; knowledge is an abstraction only; and will not



inform us of any particular subject; such as medicine; building; and the



like。  It may tell us that we or other men know something; but can never



tell us what we know。







Admitting that there is a knowledge of what we know and of what we do not



know; which would supply a rule and measure of all things; still there



would be no good in this; and the knowledge which temperance gives must be



of a kind which will do us good; for temperance is a good。  But this



universal knowledge does not tend to our happiness and good:  the only kind



of knowledge which brings happiness is the knowledge of good and evil。  To



this Critias replies that the science or knowledge of good and evil; and



all the other sciences; are regulated by the higher science or knowledge of



knowledge。  Socrates replies by again dividing the abstract from the



concrete; and asks how this knowledge conduces to happiness in the same



definite way in which medicine conduces to health。







And now; after making all these concessions; which are really inadmissible;



we are still as far as ever from ascertaining the nature of temperance;



which Charmides has already discovered; and had therefore better rest in



the knowledge that the more temperate he is the happier he will be; and not



trouble himself with the speculations of Socrates。







In this Dialogue may be noted (1) The Greek ideal of beauty and goodness;



the vision of the fair soul in the fair body; realised in the beautiful



Charmides; (2) The true conception of medicine as a science of the whole as



well as the parts; and of the mind as well as the body; which is playfully



intimated in the story of the Thracian; (3) The tendency of the age to



verbal distinctions; which here; as in the Protagoras and Cratylus; are



ascribed to the ingenuity of Prodicus; and to interpretations or rather



parodies of Homer or Hesiod; which are eminently characteristic of Plato



and his contemporaries; (4) The germ of an ethical principle contained in



the notion that temperance is 'doing one's own business;' which in the



Republic (such is the shifting character of the Platonic philosophy) is



given as the definition; not of temperance; but of justice; (5) The



impatience which is exhibited by Socrates of any definition of temperance



in which an element of science or knowledge is not included; (6) The



beginning of metaphysics and logic implied in the two questions:  whether



there can be a science of science; and whether the knowledge of what you



know is the same as the knowledge of what you do not know; and also in the



distinction between 'what you know' and 'that you know;' (Greek;) here too



is the first conception of an absolute self…determined science (the claims



of which; however; are disputed by Socrates; who asks cui bono?) as well as



the first suggestion of the difficulty of the abstract and concrete; and



one of the earliest anticipations of the relation of subject and object;



and of the subjective element in knowledgea 'rich banquet' of



metaphysical questions in which we 'taste of many things。'  (7) And still



the mind of Plato; having snatched for a moment at these shadows of the



future; quickly rejects them:  thus early has he reached the conclusion



that there can be no science which is a 'science of nothing' (Parmen。)。 



(8) The conception of a science of good and evil also first occurs here; an



anticipation of the Philebus and Republic as well as of moral philosophy in



later ages。







The dramatic interest of the Dialogue chiefly centres in the youth



Charmides; with whom Socrates talks in the kindly spirit of an elder。  His



childlike simplicity and ingenuousness are contrasted with the dialectical



and rhetorical arts of Critias; who is the grown…up man of the world;



having a tincture of philosophy。  No hint is given; either here or in the



Timaeus; of the infamy which attaches to the name of the latter in Athenian



history。  He is simply a cultivated person who; like his kinsman Plato; is



ennobled by the connection of his family with Solon (Tim。); and had been



the follower; if not the disciple; both of Socrates and of the Sophists。 



In the argument he is not unfair; if allowance is made for a slight



rhetorical tendency; and for a natural desire to save his reputation with



the company; he is sometimes nearer the truth than Socrates。  Nothing in



his language or behaviour is unbecoming the guardian of the beautiful



Charmides。  His love of reputation is characteristically Greek; and



contrasts with the humility of Socrates。  Nor in Charmides himself 

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