charmides-第12章
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quietness？
True。
And is it not best to understand what is said； whether at the writing…
master's or the music…master's； or anywhere else； not as quietly as
possible； but as quickly as possible？
Yes。
And in the searchings or deliberations of the soul； not the quietest； as I
imagine； and he who with difficulty deliberates and discovers； is thought
worthy of praise； but he who does so most easily and quickly？
Quite true； he said。
And in all that concerns either body or soul； swiftness and activity are
clearly better than slowness and quietness？
Clearly they are。
Then temperance is not quietness； nor is the temperate life quiet；
certainly not upon this view； for the life which is temperate is supposed
to be the good。 And of two things； one is true；either never； or very
seldom； do the quiet actions in life appear to be better than the quick and
energetic ones； or supposing that of the nobler actions； there are as many
quiet； as quick and vehement： still； even if we grant this； temperance
will not be acting quietly any more than acting quickly and energetically；
either in walking or talking or in anything else； nor will the quiet life
be more temperate than the unquiet； seeing that temperance is admitted by
us to be a good and noble thing； and the quick have been shown to be as
good as the quiet。
I think； he said； Socrates； that you are right。
Then once more； Charmides； I said； fix your attention； and look within；
consider the effect which temperance has upon yourself； and the nature of
that which has the effect。 Think over all this； and； like a brave youth；
tell meWhat is temperance？
After a moment's pause； in which he made a real manly effort to think； he
said： My opinion is； Socrates； that temperance makes a man ashamed or
modest； and that temperance is the same as modesty。
Very good； I said； and did you not admit； just now； that temperance is
noble？
Yes； certainly； he said。
And the temperate are also good？
Yes。
And can that be good which does not make men good？
Certainly not。
And you would infer that temperance is not only noble； but also good？
That is my opinion。
Well； I said； but surely you would agree with Homer when he says；
'Modesty is not good for a needy man'？
Yes； he said； I agree。
Then I suppose that modesty is and is not good？
Clearly。
But temperance； whose presence makes men only good； and not bad； is always
good？
That appears to me to be as you say。
And the inference is that temperance cannot be modestyif temperance is a
good； and if modesty is as much an evil as a good？
All that； Socrates； appears to me to be true； but I should like to know
what you think about another definition of temperance； which I just now
remember to have heard from some one； who said； 'That temperance is doing
our own business。' Was he right who affirmed that？
You monster！ I said； this is what Critias； or some philosopher has told
you。
Some one else； then； said Critias； for certainly I have not。
But what matter； said Charmides； from whom I heard this？
No matter at all； I replied； for the point is not who said the words； but
whether they are true or not。
There you are in the right； Socrates； he replied。
To be sure； I said； yet I doubt whether we shall ever be able to discover
their truth or falsehood； for they are a kind of riddle。
What makes you think so？ he said。
Because； I said； he who uttered them seems to me to have meant one thing；
and said another。 Is the scribe； for example； to be regarded as doing
nothing when he reads or writes？
I should rather think that he was doing something。
And does the scribe write or read； or teach you boys to write or read； your
own names only； or did you write your enemies' names as well as your own
and your friends'？
As much one as the other。
And was there anything meddling or intemperate in this？
Certainly not。
And yet if reading and writing are the same as doing； you were doing what
was not your own business？
But they are the same as doing。
And the healing art； my friend； and building； and weaving； and doing
anything whatever which is done by art；these all clearly come under the
head of doing？
Certainly。
And do you think that a state would be well ordered by a law which
compelled every man to weave and wash his own coat； and make his own shoes；
and his own flask and strigil； and other implements； on this principle of
every one doing and performing his own； and abstaining from what is not his
own？
I think not； he said。
But； I said； a temperate state will be a well…ordered state。
Of course； he replied。
Then temperance； I said； will not be doing one's own business； not at least
in this way； or doing things of this sort？
Clearly not。
Then； as I was just now saying； he who declared that temperance is a man
doing his own business had another and a hidden meaning； for I do not think
that he could have been such a fool as to mean this。 Was he a fool who
told you； Charmides？
Nay； he replied； I certainly thought him a very wise man。
Then I am quite certain that he put forth his definition as a riddle；
thinking that no one would know the meaning of the words 'doing his own
business。'
I dare say； he replied。
And what is the meaning of a man doing his own business？ Can you tell me？
Indeed； I cannot； and I should not wonder if the man himself who used this
phrase did not understand what he was saying。 Whereupon he laughed slyly；
and looked at Critias。
Critias had long been showing uneasiness； for he felt that he had a
reputation to maintain with Charmides and the rest of the company。 He had；
however； hitherto managed to restrain himself； but now he could no longer
forbear； and I am convinced of the truth of the suspicion which I
entertained at the time； that Charmides had heard this answer about
temperance from Critias。 And Charmides； who did not want to answer
himself； but to make Critias answer； tried to stir him up。 He went on
pointing out that he had been refuted； at which Critias grew angry； and
appeared； as I thought； inclined to quarrel with him； just as a poet might
quarrel with an actor who spoiled his poems in repeating them； so he looked
hard at him and said
Do you imagine； Charmides； that the author of this definition of temperance
did not understand the meaning of his own words； because you do not
understand them？
Why； at his age； I said； most excellent Critias； he can hardly be expected
to understand； but you； who are older； and have studied； may well be
assumed to know the meaning of them； and therefore； if you agree with him；
and accept his definition of temperance； I would much rather argue with you
than with him about the truth or falsehood of the definition。
I entirely agree； said Critias； and accept the definition。
Very good； I said； and now let me repeat my questionDo you admit； as I
was just now saying； that all craftsmen make or do something？
I do。
And do they make or do their own business only； or
