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soul?For if we know them; then I suppose we shall know ourselves。  Can we

really be ignorant of the excellent meaning of the Delphian inscription; of

which we were just now speaking?



ALCIBIADES:  What have you in your thoughts; Socrates?



SOCRATES:  I will tell you what I suspect to be the meaning and lesson of

that inscription。  Let me take an illustration from sight; which I imagine

to be the only one suitable to my purpose。



ALCIBIADES:  What do you mean?



SOCRATES:  Consider; if some one were to say to the eye; 'See thyself;' as

you might say to a man; 'Know thyself;' what is the nature and meaning of

this precept?  Would not his meaning be:That the eye should look at that

in which it would see itself?



ALCIBIADES:  Clearly。



SOCRATES:  And what are the objects in looking at which we see ourselves?



ALCIBIADES:  Clearly; Socrates; in looking at mirrors and the like。



SOCRATES:  Very true; and is there not something of the nature of a mirror

in our own eyes?



ALCIBIADES:  Certainly。



SOCRATES:  Did you ever observe that the face of the person looking into

the eye of another is reflected as in a mirror; and in the visual organ

which is over against him; and which is called the pupil; there is a sort

of image of the person looking?



ALCIBIADES:  That is quite true。



SOCRATES:  Then the eye; looking at another eye; and at that in the eye

which is most perfect; and which is the instrument of vision; will there

see itself?



ALCIBIADES:  That is evident。



SOCRATES:  But looking at anything else either in man or in the world; and

not to what resembles this; it will not see itself?



ALCIBIADES:  Very true。



SOCRATES:  Then if the eye is to see itself; it must look at the eye; and

at that part of the eye where sight which is the virtue of the eye resides?



ALCIBIADES:  True。



SOCRATES:  And if the soul; my dear Alcibiades; is ever to know herself;

must she not look at the soul; and especially at that part of the soul in

which her virtue resides; and to any other which is like this?



ALCIBIADES:  I agree; Socrates。



SOCRATES:  And do we know of any part of our souls more divine than that

which has to do with wisdom and knowledge?



ALCIBIADES:  There is none。



SOCRATES:  Then this is that part of the soul which resembles the divine;

and he who looks at this and at the whole class of things divine; will be

most likely to know himself?



ALCIBIADES:  Clearly。



SOCRATES:  And self…knowledge we agree to be wisdom?



ALCIBIADES:  True。



SOCRATES:  But if we have no self…knowledge and no wisdom; can we ever know

our own good and evil?



ALCIBIADES:  How can we; Socrates?



SOCRATES:  You mean; that if you did not know Alcibiades; there would be no

possibility of your knowing that what belonged to Alcibiades was really

his?



ALCIBIADES:  It would be quite impossible。



SOCRATES:  Nor should we know that we were the persons to whom anything

belonged; if we did not know ourselves?



ALCIBIADES:  How could we?



SOCRATES:  And if we did not know our own belongings; neither should we

know the belongings of our belongings?



ALCIBIADES:  Clearly not。



SOCRATES:  Then we were not altogether right in acknowledging just now that

a man may know what belongs to him and yet not know himself; nay; rather he

cannot even know the belongings of his belongings; for the discernment of

the things of self; and of the things which belong to the things of self;

appear all to be the business of the same man; and of the same art。



ALCIBIADES:  So much may be supposed。



SOCRATES:  And he who knows not the things which belong to himself; will in

like manner be ignorant of the things which belong to others?



ALCIBIADES:  Very true。



SOCRATES:  And if he knows not the affairs of others; he will not know the

affairs of states?



ALCIBIADES:  Certainly not。



SOCRATES:  Then such a man can never be a statesman?



ALCIBIADES:  He cannot。



SOCRATES:  Nor an economist?



ALCIBIADES:  He cannot。



SOCRATES:  He will not know what he is doing?



ALCIBIADES:  He will not。



SOCRATES:  And will not he who is ignorant fall into error?



ALCIBIADES:  Assuredly。



SOCRATES:  And if he falls into error will he not fail both in his public

and private capacity?



ALCIBIADES:  Yes; indeed。



SOCRATES:  And failing; will he not be miserable?



ALCIBIADES:  Very。



SOCRATES:  And what will become of those for whom he is acting?



ALCIBIADES:  They will be miserable also。



SOCRATES:  Then he who is not wise and good cannot be happy?



ALCIBIADES:  He cannot。



SOCRATES:  The bad; then; are miserable?



ALCIBIADES:  Yes; very。



SOCRATES:  And if so; not he who has riches; but he who has wisdom; is

delivered from his misery?



ALCIBIADES:  Clearly。



SOCRATES:  Cities; then; if they are to be happy; do not want walls; or

triremes; or docks; or numbers; or size; Alcibiades; without virtue? 

(Compare Arist。 Pol。)



ALCIBIADES:  Indeed they do not。



SOCRATES:  And you must give the citizens virtue; if you mean to administer

their affairs rightly or nobly?



ALCIBIADES:  Certainly。



SOCRATES:  But can a man give that which he has not?



ALCIBIADES:  Impossible。



SOCRATES:  Then you or any one who means to govern and superintend; not

only himself and the things of himself; but the state and the things of the

state; must in the first place acquire virtue。



ALCIBIADES:  That is true。



SOCRATES:  You have not therefore to obtain power or authority; in order to

enable you to do what you wish for yourself and the state; but justice and

wisdom。



ALCIBIADES:  Clearly。



SOCRATES:  You and the state; if you act wisely and justly; will act

according to the will of God?



ALCIBIADES:  Certainly。



SOCRATES:  As I was saying before; you will look only at what is bright and

divine; and act with a view to them?



ALCIBIADES:  Yes。



SOCRATES:  In that mirror you will see and know yourselves and your own

good?



ALCIBIADES:  Yes。



SOCRATES:  And so you will act rightly and well?



ALCIBIADES:  Yes。



SOCRATES:  In which case; I will be security for your happiness。



ALCIBIADES:  I accept the security。



SOCRATES:  But if you act unrighteously; your eye will turn to the dark and

godless; and being in darkness and ignorance of yourselves; you will

probably do deeds of darkness。



ALCIBIADES:  Very possibly。



SOCRATES:  For if a man; my dear Alcibiades; has the power to do what he

likes; but has no understanding; what is likely to be the result; either to

him as an individual or to the statefor example; if he be sick and is

able to do what he likes; not having the mind of a physicianhaving

moreover tyrannical power; and no one daring to reprove him; what will

happen to him?  Will he not be likely to have his constitution ruined?



ALCIBIADES:  That is true。



SOCRATES:  Or again; in a ship; if a man having the power to do what he

likes; has no intelligence or skill in navigation; do you see what will

happen to him and to his fellow…sailors?



ALCIBIADES:  Yes; I see that they will all perish。



SOCRATES:  And in like manner; in a state; and where there is any power and

authority which is wanting in virtue; will not misfortune; in like manner;

ensue?



ALCIBIADES:  Certainly。



SOCRATES:  Not tyrannical power; then; my good Alcibiades; should be the

aim either of individuals or states; if they would be happy; but virtue。



ALCIBIADES:  That is true。



SOCRATES:  And before they have virtue; to be commanded by a superior is

better for men as well as for children?  (Compare Arist。 Pol。)



ALCIBIADES:  That is evident。



SOCRATES:  And that which is better is also nobler?



ALCIBIADES:  True。



SOCRATES:  And what is nobler is more becoming?



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