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sort　of　triumph　over　them；　and　they　seem　to　experience　a　corresponding

feeling　of　admiration　at　me；　and　at　the　greatness　of　the　city；　which

appears　to　them；　when　they　are　under　the　influence　of　the　speaker；　more

wonderful　than　ever。　　This　consciousness　of　dignity　lasts　me　more　than

three　days；　and　not　until　the　fourth　or　fifth　day　do　I　come　to　my　senses

and　know　where　I　am；　in　the　meantime　I　have　been　living　in　the　Islands　of

the　Blest。　　Such　is　the　art　of　our　rhetoricians；　and　in　such　manner　does

the　sound　of　their　words　keep　ringing　in　my　ears。



MENEXENUS：　　You　are　always　making　fun　of　the　rhetoricians；　Socrates；　this

time；　however；　I　am　inclined　to　think　that　the　speaker　who　is　chosen　will

not　have　much　to　say；　for　he　has　been　called　upon　to　speak　at　a　moment's

notice；　and　he　will　be　compelled　almost　to　improvise。



SOCRATES：　　But　why；　my　friend；　should　he　not　have　plenty　to　say？　　Every

rhetorician　has　speeches　ready　made；　nor　is　there　any　difficulty　in

improvising　that　sort　of　stuff。　　Had　the　orator　to　praise　Athenians　among

Peloponnesians；　or　Peloponnesians　among　Athenians；　he　must　be　a　good

rhetorician　who　could　succeed　and　gain　credit。　　But　there　is　no　difficulty

in　a　man's　winning　applause　when　he　is　contending　for　fame　among　the

persons　whom　he　is　praising。



MENEXENUS：　　Do　you　think　not；　Socrates？



SOCRATES：　　Certainly　'not。'



MENEXENUS：　　Do　you　think　that　you　could　speak　yourself　if　there　should　be　a

necessity；　and　if　the　Council　were　to　choose　you？



SOCRATES：　　That　I　should　be　able　to　speak　is　no　great　wonder；　Menexenus；

considering　that　I　have　an　excellent　mistress　in　the　art　of　rhetoric；she

who　has　made　so　many　good　speakers；　and　one　who　was　the　best　among　all　the

HellenesPericles；　the　son　of　Xanthippus。



MENEXENUS：　　And　who　is　she？　　I　suppose　that　you　mean　Aspasia。



SOCRATES：　　Yes；　I　do；　and　besides　her　I　had　Connus；　the　son　of　Metrobius；

as　a　master；　and　he　was　my　master　in　music；　as　she　was　in　rhetoric。　　No

wonder　that　a　man　who　has　received　such　an　education　should　be　a　finished

speaker；　even　the　pupil　of　very　inferior　masters；　say；　for　example；　one　who

had　learned　music　of　Lamprus；　and　rhetoric　of　Antiphon　the　Rhamnusian；

might　make　a　figure　if　he　were　to　praise　the　Athenians　among　the　Athenians。



MENEXENUS：　　And　what　would　you　be　able　to　say　if　you　had　to　speak？



SOCRATES：　　Of　my　own　wit；　most　likely　nothing；　but　yesterday　I　heard

Aspasia　composing　a　funeral　oration　about　these　very　dead。　　For　she　had

been　told；　as　you　were　saying；　that　the　Athenians　were　going　to　choose　a

speaker；　and　she　repeated　to　me　the　sort　of　speech　which　he　should　deliver；

partly　improvising　and　partly　from　previous　thought；　putting　together

fragments　of　the　funeral　oration　which　Pericles　spoke；　but　which；　as　I

believe；　she　composed。



MENEXENUS：　　And　can　you　remember　what　Aspasia　said？



SOCRATES：　　I　ought　to　be　able；　for　she　taught　me；　and　she　was　ready　to

strike　me　because　I　was　always　forgetting。



MENEXENUS：　　Then　why　will　you　not　rehearse　what　she　said？



SOCRATES：　　Because　I　am　afraid　that　my　mistress　may　be　angry　with　me　if　I

publish　her　speech。



MENEXENUS：　　Nay；　Socrates；　let　us　have　the　speech；　whether　Aspasia's　or　any

one　else's；　no　matter。　　I　hope　that　you　will　oblige　me。



SOCRATES：　　But　I　am　afraid　that　you　will　laugh　at　me　if　I　continue　the

games　of　youth　in　old　age。



MENEXENUS：　　Far　otherwise；　Socrates；　let　us　by　all　means　have　the　speech。



SOCRATES：　　Truly　I　have　such　a　disposition　to　oblige　you；　that　if　you　bid

me　dance　naked　I　should　not　like　to　refuse；　since　we　are　alone。　　Listen

then：　　If　I　remember　rightly；　she　began　as　follows；　with　the　mention　of　the

dead：　（Thucyd。）



There　is　a　tribute　of　deeds　and　of　words。　　The　departed　have　already　had

the　first；　when　going　forth　on　their　destined　journey　they　were　attended　on

their　way　by　the　state　and　by　their　friends；　the　tribute　of　words　remains

to　be　given　to　them；　as　is　meet　and　by　law　ordained。　　For　noble　words　are　a

memorial　and　a　crown　of　noble　actions；　which　are　given　to　the　doers　of　them

by　the　hearers。　　A　word　is　needed　which　will　duly　praise　the　dead　and

gently　admonish　the　living；　exhorting　the　brethren　and　descendants　of　the

departed　to　imitate　their　virtue；　and　consoling　their　fathers　and　mothers

and　the　survivors；　if　any；　who　may　chance　to　be　alive　of　the　previous

generation。　　What　sort　of　a　word　will　this　be；　and　how　shall　we　rightly

begin　the　praises　of　these　brave　men？　　In　their　life　they　rejoiced　their

own　friends　with　their　valour；　and　their　death　they　gave　in　exchange　for

the　salvation　of　the　living。　　And　I　think　that　we　should　praise　them　in　the

order　in　which　nature　made　them　good；　for　they　were　good　because　they　were

sprung　from　good　fathers。　　Wherefore　let　us　first　of　all　praise　the

goodness　of　their　birth；　secondly；　their　nurture　and　education；　and　then

let　us　set　forth　how　noble　their　actions　were；　and　how　worthy　of　the

education　which　they　had　received。



And　first　as　to　their　birth。　　Their　ancestors　were　not　strangers；　nor　are

these　their　descendants　sojourners　only；　whose　fathers　have　come　from

another　country；　but　they　are　the　children　of　the　soil；　dwelling　and　living

in　their　own　land。　　And　the　country　which　brought　them　up　is　not　like　other

countries；　a　stepmother　to　her　children；　but　their　own　true　mother；　she

bore　them　and　nourished　them　and　received　them；　and　in　her　bosom　they　now

repose。　　It　is　meet　and　right；　therefore；　that　we　should　begin　by　praising

the　land　which　is　their　mother；　and　that　will　be　a　way　of　praising　their

noble　birth。



The　country　is　worthy　to　be　praised；　not　only　by　us；　but　by　all　mankind；

first；　and　above　all；　as　being　dear　to　the　Gods。　　This　is　proved　by　the

strife　and　contention　of　the　Gods　respecting　her。　　And　ought　not　the

country　which　the　Gods　praise　to　be　praised　by　all　mankind？　　The　second

praise　which　may　be　fairly　claimed　by　her；　is　that　at　the　time　when　the

whole　earth　was　sending　forth　and　creating　diverse　animals；　tame　and　wild；

she　our　mother　was　free　and　pure　from　savage　monsters；　and　out　of　all

animals　selected　and　brought　forth　man；　who　is　superior　to　the　rest　in

understanding；　and　alone　has　justice　and　religion。　　And　a　great　proof　that

she　brought　forth　the　common　ancestors　of　us　and　of　the　departed；　is　that

she　provided　the　means　of　support　for　her　offspring。　　For　as　a　woman　proves

her　motherhood　by　giving　milk　to　her　young　ones　（and　she　who　has　no

fountain　of　milk　is　not　a　mother）；　so　did　this　our　land　prove　that　she　was

the　mother　of　men；　for　in　those　days　she　alone　and　first　of　all　brought

forth　wheat　and　barley　for　human　food；　which　is　the　best　and　noblest

sustenance　for　man；　whom　she　regarded　as　her　true　offspring。　　And　these　are

truer　proofs　of　motherhood　in　a　country　than　in　a　woman；　for　the　woman　in

her　conception　and　generation　is　but　the　imitation　of　the　earth；　and　not

the　earth　of　the　woman。　　And　of　the　fruit　of　the　earth　she　gave　a　plenteous

supply；　not　only　to　her　own；　but　to　others　also；　and　afterwards　she　made

the　olive　to　spring　up　to　be　a　boon　to　her　children；　and　to　help　them　in

their　toils。　　And　when　she　had　herself　nursed　them　and　brought　them　up　to

manhood；　she　gave　them　Gods　to　be　their　rulers　and　teachers；　whose　names

are　well　known；　and　need　not　now　be　repeated。　　They　are　the　Gods　who　first

ordered　our　lives；　and　instructed　us　in　the　arts　for　the　supply　of　our

daily　needs；　and　taught　us　the　acquisition　and　use　of　arms　for　the　defence

of　the　country。



Thus　born　into　the　world　and　thus　educated；　the　ancestors　of　the　departed

lived　and　made　themselves　a　government；　which　I　ought　briefly　to

commemorate。　　For　government　is　the　nurture　of　man；　and　the　government　of

good　men　is　good；　and　of　bad　men　bad。　　And　I　must　show　that　our　ancestors

were　trained　under　a　good　government；　and　for　this　reason　they　were　good；

and　our　contemporaries　are　also　good；　among　whom　our　departed　friends　are