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mouth; voice; mind;would you not apply the term quickness to all of them?







LACHES:  Quite true。







SOCRATES:  And suppose I were to be asked by some one:  What is that common



quality; Socrates; which; in all these uses of the word; you call



quickness?  I should say the quality which accomplishes much in a little



timewhether in running; speaking; or in any other sort of action。







LACHES:  You would be quite correct。







SOCRATES:  And now; Laches; do you try and tell me in like manner; What is



that common quality which is called courage; and which includes all the



various uses of the term when applied both to pleasure and pain; and in all



the cases to which I was just now referring?







LACHES:  I should say that courage is a sort of endurance of the soul; if I



am to speak of the universal nature which pervades them all。







SOCRATES:  But that is what we must do if we are to answer the question。



And yet I cannot say that every kind of endurance is; in my opinion; to be



deemed courage。  Hear my reason:  I am sure; Laches; that you would



consider courage to be a very noble quality。







LACHES:  Most noble; certainly。







SOCRATES:  And you would say that a wise endurance is also good and noble?







LACHES:  Very noble。







SOCRATES:  But what would you say of a foolish endurance?  Is not that; on



the other hand; to be regarded as evil and hurtful?







LACHES:  True。







SOCRATES:  And is anything noble which is evil and hurtful?







LACHES:  I ought not to say that; Socrates。







SOCRATES:  Then you would not admit that sort of endurance to be courage



for it is not noble; but courage is noble?







LACHES:  You are right。







SOCRATES:  Then; according to you; only the wise endurance is courage?







LACHES:  True。







SOCRATES:  But as to the epithet 'wise;'wise in what?  In all things



small as well as great?  For example; if a man shows the quality of



endurance in spending his money wisely; knowing that by spending he will



acquire more in the end; do you call him courageous?







LACHES:  Assuredly not。







SOCRATES:  Or; for example; if a man is a physician; and his son; or some



patient of his; has inflammation of the lungs; and begs that he may be



allowed to eat or drink something; and the other is firm and refuses; is



that courage?







LACHES:  No; that is not courage at all; any more than the last。







SOCRATES:  Again; take the case of one who endures in war; and is willing



to fight; and wisely calculates and knows that others will help him; and



that there will be fewer and inferior men against him than there are with



him; and suppose that he has also advantages of position; would you say of



such a one who endures with all this wisdom and preparation; that he; or



some man in the opposing army who is in the opposite circumstances to these



and yet endures and remains at his post; is the braver?







LACHES:  I should say that the latter; Socrates; was the braver。







SOCRATES:  But; surely; this is a foolish endurance in comparison with the



other?







LACHES:  That is true。







SOCRATES:  Then you would say that he who in an engagement of cavalry



endures; having the knowledge of horsemanship; is not so courageous as he



who endures; having no such knowledge?







LACHES:  So I should say。







SOCRATES:  And he who endures; having a knowledge of the use of the sling;



or the bow; or of any other art; is not so courageous as he who endures;



not having such a knowledge?







LACHES:  True。







SOCRATES:  And he who descends into a well; and dives; and holds out in



this or any similar action; having no knowledge of diving; or the like; is;



as you would say; more courageous than those who have this knowledge?







LACHES:  Why; Socrates; what else can a man say?







SOCRATES:  Nothing; if that be what he thinks。







LACHES:  But that is what I do think。







SOCRATES:  And yet men who thus run risks and endure are foolish; Laches;



in comparison of those who do the same things; having the skill to do them。







LACHES:  That is true。







SOCRATES:  But foolish boldness and endurance appeared before to be base



and hurtful to us。







LACHES:  Quite true。







SOCRATES:  Whereas courage was acknowledged to be a noble quality。







LACHES:  True。







SOCRATES:  And now on the contrary we are saying that the foolish



endurance; which was before held in dishonour; is courage。







LACHES:  Very true。







SOCRATES:  And are we right in saying so?







LACHES:  Indeed; Socrates; I am sure that we are not right。







SOCRATES:  Then according to your statement; you and I; Laches; are not



attuned to the Dorian mode; which is a harmony of words and deeds; for our



deeds are not in accordance with our words。  Any one would say that we had



courage who saw us in action; but not; I imagine; he who heard us talking



about courage just now。







LACHES:  That is most true。







SOCRATES:  And is this condition of ours satisfactory?







LACHES:  Quite the reverse。







SOCRATES:  Suppose; however; that we admit the principle of which we are



speaking to a certain extent。







LACHES:  To what extent and what principle do you mean?







SOCRATES:  The principle of endurance。  We too must endure and persevere in



the enquiry; and then courage will not laugh at our faint…heartedness in



searching for courage; which after all may; very likely; be endurance。







LACHES:  I am ready to go on; Socrates; and yet I am unused to



investigations of this sort。  But the spirit of controversy has been



aroused in me by what has been said; and I am really grieved at being thus



unable to express my meaning。  For I fancy that I do know the nature of



courage; but; somehow or other; she has slipped away from me; and I cannot



get hold of her and tell her nature。







SOCRATES:  But; my dear friend; should not the good sportsman follow the



track; and not be lazy?







LACHES:  Certainly; he should。







SOCRATES:  And shall we invite Nicias to join us? he may be better at the



sport than we are。  What do you say?







LACHES:  I should like that。







SOCRATES:  Come then; Nicias; and do what you can to help your friends; who



are tossing on the waves of argument; and at the last gasp:  you see our



extremity; and may save us and also settle your own opinion; if you will



tell us what you think about courage。







NICIAS:  I have been thinking; Socrates; that you and Laches are not



defining courage in the right way; for you have forgotten an excellent



saying which I have heard from your own lips。







SOCRATES:  What is it; Nicias?







NICIAS:  I have often heard you say that 'Every man is good in that in



which he is wise; and bad in that in which he is unwise。'







SOCRATES:  That is certainly true; Nicias。







NICIAS:  And therefore if the brave man is good; he is also wise。







SOCRATES:  Do you hear him; Laches?







LACHES:  Yes; I hear him; but I do not very well understand him。







SOCRATES:  I think that I understand him; and he appears to me to mean that



courage is a sort of wisdom。







LACHES:  What can he possibly mean; Socrates?







SOCRATES:  That is a question which you must ask of himself。







LACHES:  Yes。







SOCRATES:  Tell him then; Nicias; what you mean by this wisdom; for 

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