laches-第7章
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mouth; voice; mind;would you not apply the term quickness to all of them?
LACHES: Quite true。
SOCRATES: And suppose I were to be asked by some one: What is that common
quality; Socrates; which; in all these uses of the word; you call
quickness? I should say the quality which accomplishes much in a little
timewhether in running; speaking; or in any other sort of action。
LACHES: You would be quite correct。
SOCRATES: And now; Laches; do you try and tell me in like manner; What is
that common quality which is called courage; and which includes all the
various uses of the term when applied both to pleasure and pain; and in all
the cases to which I was just now referring?
LACHES: I should say that courage is a sort of endurance of the soul; if I
am to speak of the universal nature which pervades them all。
SOCRATES: But that is what we must do if we are to answer the question。
And yet I cannot say that every kind of endurance is; in my opinion; to be
deemed courage。 Hear my reason: I am sure; Laches; that you would
consider courage to be a very noble quality。
LACHES: Most noble; certainly。
SOCRATES: And you would say that a wise endurance is also good and noble?
LACHES: Very noble。
SOCRATES: But what would you say of a foolish endurance? Is not that; on
the other hand; to be regarded as evil and hurtful?
LACHES: True。
SOCRATES: And is anything noble which is evil and hurtful?
LACHES: I ought not to say that; Socrates。
SOCRATES: Then you would not admit that sort of endurance to be courage
for it is not noble; but courage is noble?
LACHES: You are right。
SOCRATES: Then; according to you; only the wise endurance is courage?
LACHES: True。
SOCRATES: But as to the epithet 'wise;'wise in what? In all things
small as well as great? For example; if a man shows the quality of
endurance in spending his money wisely; knowing that by spending he will
acquire more in the end; do you call him courageous?
LACHES: Assuredly not。
SOCRATES: Or; for example; if a man is a physician; and his son; or some
patient of his; has inflammation of the lungs; and begs that he may be
allowed to eat or drink something; and the other is firm and refuses; is
that courage?
LACHES: No; that is not courage at all; any more than the last。
SOCRATES: Again; take the case of one who endures in war; and is willing
to fight; and wisely calculates and knows that others will help him; and
that there will be fewer and inferior men against him than there are with
him; and suppose that he has also advantages of position; would you say of
such a one who endures with all this wisdom and preparation; that he; or
some man in the opposing army who is in the opposite circumstances to these
and yet endures and remains at his post; is the braver?
LACHES: I should say that the latter; Socrates; was the braver。
SOCRATES: But; surely; this is a foolish endurance in comparison with the
other?
LACHES: That is true。
SOCRATES: Then you would say that he who in an engagement of cavalry
endures; having the knowledge of horsemanship; is not so courageous as he
who endures; having no such knowledge?
LACHES: So I should say。
SOCRATES: And he who endures; having a knowledge of the use of the sling;
or the bow; or of any other art; is not so courageous as he who endures;
not having such a knowledge?
LACHES: True。
SOCRATES: And he who descends into a well; and dives; and holds out in
this or any similar action; having no knowledge of diving; or the like; is;
as you would say; more courageous than those who have this knowledge?
LACHES: Why; Socrates; what else can a man say?
SOCRATES: Nothing; if that be what he thinks。
LACHES: But that is what I do think。
SOCRATES: And yet men who thus run risks and endure are foolish; Laches;
in comparison of those who do the same things; having the skill to do them。
LACHES: That is true。
SOCRATES: But foolish boldness and endurance appeared before to be base
and hurtful to us。
LACHES: Quite true。
SOCRATES: Whereas courage was acknowledged to be a noble quality。
LACHES: True。
SOCRATES: And now on the contrary we are saying that the foolish
endurance; which was before held in dishonour; is courage。
LACHES: Very true。
SOCRATES: And are we right in saying so?
LACHES: Indeed; Socrates; I am sure that we are not right。
SOCRATES: Then according to your statement; you and I; Laches; are not
attuned to the Dorian mode; which is a harmony of words and deeds; for our
deeds are not in accordance with our words。 Any one would say that we had
courage who saw us in action; but not; I imagine; he who heard us talking
about courage just now。
LACHES: That is most true。
SOCRATES: And is this condition of ours satisfactory?
LACHES: Quite the reverse。
SOCRATES: Suppose; however; that we admit the principle of which we are
speaking to a certain extent。
LACHES: To what extent and what principle do you mean?
SOCRATES: The principle of endurance。 We too must endure and persevere in
the enquiry; and then courage will not laugh at our faint…heartedness in
searching for courage; which after all may; very likely; be endurance。
LACHES: I am ready to go on; Socrates; and yet I am unused to
investigations of this sort。 But the spirit of controversy has been
aroused in me by what has been said; and I am really grieved at being thus
unable to express my meaning。 For I fancy that I do know the nature of
courage; but; somehow or other; she has slipped away from me; and I cannot
get hold of her and tell her nature。
SOCRATES: But; my dear friend; should not the good sportsman follow the
track; and not be lazy?
LACHES: Certainly; he should。
SOCRATES: And shall we invite Nicias to join us? he may be better at the
sport than we are。 What do you say?
LACHES: I should like that。
SOCRATES: Come then; Nicias; and do what you can to help your friends; who
are tossing on the waves of argument; and at the last gasp: you see our
extremity; and may save us and also settle your own opinion; if you will
tell us what you think about courage。
NICIAS: I have been thinking; Socrates; that you and Laches are not
defining courage in the right way; for you have forgotten an excellent
saying which I have heard from your own lips。
SOCRATES: What is it; Nicias?
NICIAS: I have often heard you say that 'Every man is good in that in
which he is wise; and bad in that in which he is unwise。'
SOCRATES: That is certainly true; Nicias。
NICIAS: And therefore if the brave man is good; he is also wise。
SOCRATES: Do you hear him; Laches?
LACHES: Yes; I hear him; but I do not very well understand him。
SOCRATES: I think that I understand him; and he appears to me to mean that
courage is a sort of wisdom。
LACHES: What can he possibly mean; Socrates?
SOCRATES: That is a question which you must ask of himself。
LACHES: Yes。
SOCRATES: Tell him then; Nicias; what you mean by this wisdom; for