laches-第3章
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this art of fighting in armour; and about any other studies or pursuits
which may or may not be desirable for a young man to learn。 Please to say
whether you agree to our proposal。
NICIAS: As far as I am concerned; Lysimachus and Melesias; I applaud your
purpose; and will gladly assist you; and I believe that you; Laches; will
be equally glad。
LACHES: Certainly; Nicias; and I quite approve of the remark which
Lysimachus made about his own father and the father of Melesias; and which
is applicable; not only to them; but to us; and to every one who is
occupied with public affairs。 As he says; such persons are too apt to be
negligent and careless of their own children and their private concerns。
There is much truth in that remark of yours; Lysimachus。 But why; instead
of consulting us; do you not consult our friend Socrates about the
education of the youths? He is of the same deme with you; and is always
passing his time in places where the youth have any noble study or pursuit;
such as you are enquiring after。
LYSIMACHUS: Why; Laches; has Socrates ever attended to matters of this
sort?
LACHES: Certainly; Lysimachus。
NICIAS: That I have the means of knowing as well as Laches; for quite
lately he supplied me with a teacher of music for my sons;Damon; the
disciple of Agathocles; who is a most accomplished man in every way; as
well as a musician; and a companion of inestimable value for young men at
their age。
LYSIMACHUS: Those who have reached my time of life; Socrates and Nicias
and Laches; fall out of acquaintance with the young; because they are
generally detained at home by old age; but you; O son of Sophroniscus;
should let your fellow demesman have the benefit of any advice which you
are able to give。 Moreover I have a claim upon you as an old friend of
your father; for I and he were always companions and friends; and to the
hour of his death there never was a difference between us; and now it comes
back to me; at the mention of your name; that I have heard these lads
talking to one another at home; and often speaking of Socrates in terms of
the highest praise; but I have never thought to ask them whether the son of
Sophroniscus was the person whom they meant。 Tell me; my boys; whether
this is the Socrates of whom you have often spoken?
SON: Certainly; father; this is he。
LYSIMACHUS: I am delighted to hear; Socrates; that you maintain the name
of your father; who was a most excellent man; and I further rejoice at the
prospect of our family ties being renewed。
LACHES: Indeed; Lysimachus; you ought not to give him up; for I can assure
you that I have seen him maintaining; not only his father's; but also his
country's name。 He was my companion in the retreat from Delium; and I can
tell you that if others had only been like him; the honour of our country
would have been upheld; and the great defeat would never have occurred。
LYSIMACHUS: That is very high praise which is accorded to you; Socrates;
by faithful witnesses and for actions like those which they praise。 Let me
tell you the pleasure which I feel in hearing of your fame; and I hope that
you will regard me as one of your warmest friends。 You ought to have
visited us long ago; and made yourself at home with us; but now; from this
day forward; as we have at last found one another out; do as I saycome
and make acquaintance with me; and with these young men; that I may
continue your friend; as I was your father's。 I shall expect you to do so;
and shall venture at some future time to remind you of your duty。 But what
say you of the matter of which we were beginning to speakthe art of
fighting in armour? Is that a practice in which the lads may be
advantageously instructed?
SOCRATES: I will endeavour to advise you; Lysimachus; as far as I can in
this matter; and also in every way will comply with your wishes; but as I
am younger and not so experienced; I think that I ought certainly to hear
first what my elders have to say; and to learn of them; and if I have
anything to add; then I may venture to give my opinion to them as well as
to you。 Suppose; Nicias; that one or other of you begin。
NICIAS: I have no objection; Socrates; and my opinion is that the
acquirement of this art is in many ways useful to young men。 It is an
advantage to them that among the favourite amusements of their leisure
hours they should have one which tends to improve and not to injure their
bodily health。 No gymnastics could be better or harder exercise; and this;
and the art of riding; are of all arts most befitting to a freeman; for
they only who are thus trained in the use of arms are the athletes of our
military profession; trained in that on which the conflict turns。 Moreover
in actual battle; when you have to fight in a line with a number of others;
such an acquirement will be of some use; and will be of the greatest
whenever the ranks are broken and you have to fight singly; either in
pursuit; when you are attacking some one who is defending himself; or in
flight; when you have to defend yourself against an assailant。 Certainly
he who possessed the art could not meet with any harm at the hands of a
single person; or perhaps of several; and in any case he would have a great
advantage。 Further; this sort of skill inclines a man to the love of other
noble lessons; for every man who has learned how to fight in armour will
desire to learn the proper arrangement of an army; which is the sequel of
the lesson: and when he has learned this; and his ambition is once fired;
he will go on to learn the complete art of the general。 There is no
difficulty in seeing that the knowledge and practice of other military arts
will be honourable and valuable to a man; and this lesson may be the
beginning of them。 Let me add a further advantage; which is by no means a
slight one;that this science will make any man a great deal more valiant
and self…possessed in the field。 And I will not disdain to mention; what
by some may be thought to be a small matter;he will make a better
appearance at the right time; that is to say; at the time when his
appearance will strike terror into his enemies。 My opinion then;
Lysimachus; is; as I say; that the youths should be instructed in this art;
and for the reasons which I have given。 But Laches may take a different
view; and I shall be very glad to hear what he has to say。
LACHES: I should not like to maintain; Nicias; that any kind of knowledge
is not to be learned; for all knowledge appears to be a good: and if; as
Nicias and as the teachers of the art affirm; this use of arms is really a
species of knowledge; then it ought to be learned; but if not; and if those
who profess to teach it are deceivers only; or if it be knowledge; but not
of a valuable sort; then what is the use of learning it? I say this;
because I think that if it had been really valuable; the Lacedaemonians;
whose whole life is passed in finding out and practising the arts which
give them an advantage over other nations in war; would have discovered
this one。 And even if they had not; still these professors of the art
would certainly not have failed to discover that of all the Hellenes the
Lacedaemonians have the greatest interest in such matters; and that a
master of the art who was honoured among them would be sure to make his
fortune among other nations; just as a tragic poet would who is honoured
among ourselves; which is the reason