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this art of fighting in armour; and about any other studies or pursuits



which may or may not be desirable for a young man to learn。  Please to say



whether you agree to our proposal。







NICIAS:  As far as I am concerned; Lysimachus and Melesias; I applaud your



purpose; and will gladly assist you; and I believe that you; Laches; will



be equally glad。







LACHES:  Certainly; Nicias; and I quite approve of the remark which



Lysimachus made about his own father and the father of Melesias; and which



is applicable; not only to them; but to us; and to every one who is



occupied with public affairs。  As he says; such persons are too apt to be



negligent and careless of their own children and their private concerns。 



There is much truth in that remark of yours; Lysimachus。  But why; instead



of consulting us; do you not consult our friend Socrates about the



education of the youths?  He is of the same deme with you; and is always



passing his time in places where the youth have any noble study or pursuit;



such as you are enquiring after。







LYSIMACHUS:  Why; Laches; has Socrates ever attended to matters of this



sort?







LACHES:  Certainly; Lysimachus。







NICIAS:  That I have the means of knowing as well as Laches; for quite



lately he supplied me with a teacher of music for my sons;Damon; the



disciple of Agathocles; who is a most accomplished man in every way; as



well as a musician; and a companion of inestimable value for young men at



their age。







LYSIMACHUS:  Those who have reached my time of life; Socrates and Nicias



and Laches; fall out of acquaintance with the young; because they are



generally detained at home by old age; but you; O son of Sophroniscus;



should let your fellow demesman have the benefit of any advice which you



are able to give。  Moreover I have a claim upon you as an old friend of



your father; for I and he were always companions and friends; and to the



hour of his death there never was a difference between us; and now it comes



back to me; at the mention of your name; that I have heard these lads



talking to one another at home; and often speaking of Socrates in terms of



the highest praise; but I have never thought to ask them whether the son of



Sophroniscus was the person whom they meant。  Tell me; my boys; whether



this is the Socrates of whom you have often spoken?







SON:  Certainly; father; this is he。







LYSIMACHUS:  I am delighted to hear; Socrates; that you maintain the name



of your father; who was a most excellent man; and I further rejoice at the



prospect of our family ties being renewed。







LACHES:  Indeed; Lysimachus; you ought not to give him up; for I can assure



you that I have seen him maintaining; not only his father's; but also his



country's name。  He was my companion in the retreat from Delium; and I can



tell you that if others had only been like him; the honour of our country



would have been upheld; and the great defeat would never have occurred。







LYSIMACHUS:  That is very high praise which is accorded to you; Socrates;



by faithful witnesses and for actions like those which they praise。  Let me



tell you the pleasure which I feel in hearing of your fame; and I hope that



you will regard me as one of your warmest friends。  You ought to have



visited us long ago; and made yourself at home with us; but now; from this



day forward; as we have at last found one another out; do as I saycome



and make acquaintance with me; and with these young men; that I may



continue your friend; as I was your father's。  I shall expect you to do so;



and shall venture at some future time to remind you of your duty。  But what



say you of the matter of which we were beginning to speakthe art of



fighting in armour?  Is that a practice in which the lads may be



advantageously instructed?







SOCRATES:  I will endeavour to advise you; Lysimachus; as far as I can in



this matter; and also in every way will comply with your wishes; but as I



am younger and not so experienced; I think that I ought certainly to hear



first what my elders have to say; and to learn of them; and if I have



anything to add; then I may venture to give my opinion to them as well as



to you。  Suppose; Nicias; that one or other of you begin。







NICIAS:  I have no objection; Socrates; and my opinion is that the



acquirement of this art is in many ways useful to young men。  It is an



advantage to them that among the favourite amusements of their leisure



hours they should have one which tends to improve and not to injure their



bodily health。  No gymnastics could be better or harder exercise; and this;



and the art of riding; are of all arts most befitting to a freeman; for



they only who are thus trained in the use of arms are the athletes of our



military profession; trained in that on which the conflict turns。  Moreover



in actual battle; when you have to fight in a line with a number of others;



such an acquirement will be of some use; and will be of the greatest



whenever the ranks are broken and you have to fight singly; either in



pursuit; when you are attacking some one who is defending himself; or in



flight; when you have to defend yourself against an assailant。  Certainly



he who possessed the art could not meet with any harm at the hands of a



single person; or perhaps of several; and in any case he would have a great



advantage。  Further; this sort of skill inclines a man to the love of other



noble lessons; for every man who has learned how to fight in armour will



desire to learn the proper arrangement of an army; which is the sequel of



the lesson:  and when he has learned this; and his ambition is once fired;



he will go on to learn the complete art of the general。  There is no



difficulty in seeing that the knowledge and practice of other military arts



will be honourable and valuable to a man; and this lesson may be the



beginning of them。  Let me add a further advantage; which is by no means a



slight one;that this science will make any man a great deal more valiant



and self…possessed in the field。  And I will not disdain to mention; what



by some may be thought to be a small matter;he will make a better



appearance at the right time; that is to say; at the time when his



appearance will strike terror into his enemies。  My opinion then;



Lysimachus; is; as I say; that the youths should be instructed in this art;



and for the reasons which I have given。  But Laches may take a different



view; and I shall be very glad to hear what he has to say。







LACHES:  I should not like to maintain; Nicias; that any kind of knowledge



is not to be learned; for all knowledge appears to be a good:  and if; as



Nicias and as the teachers of the art affirm; this use of arms is really a



species of knowledge; then it ought to be learned; but if not; and if those



who profess to teach it are deceivers only; or if it be knowledge; but not



of a valuable sort; then what is the use of learning it?  I say this;



because I think that if it had been really valuable; the Lacedaemonians;



whose whole life is passed in finding out and practising the arts which



give them an advantage over other nations in war; would have discovered



this one。  And even if they had not; still these professors of the art



would certainly not have failed to discover that of all the Hellenes the



Lacedaemonians have the greatest interest in such matters; and that a



master of the art who was honoured among them would be sure to make his



fortune among other nations; just as a tragic poet would who is honoured



among ourselves; which is the reason

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