phaedrus-第3章
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arises not from passion; but from other associations。 Further; if we
ought to shower favours on those who are the most eager suitors;…on
that principle; we ought always to do good; not to the most
virtuous; but to the most needy; for they are the persons who will
be most relieved; and will therefore be the most grateful; and when
you make a feast you should invite not your friend; but the beggar and
the empty soul; for they will love you; and attend you; and come about
your doors; and will be the best pleased; and the most grateful; and
will invoke many a blessing on your head。 Yet surely you ought not
to be granting favours to those who besiege you with prayer; but to
those who are best able to reward you; nor to the lover only; but to
those who are worthy of love; nor to those who will enjoy the bloom of
your youth; but to those who will share their possessions with you
in age; nor to those who; having succeeded; will glory in their
success to others; but to those who will be modest and tell no
tales; nor to those who care about you for a moment only; but to those
who will continue your friends through life; nor to those who; when
their passion is over; will pick a quarrel with you; but rather to
those who; when the charm of youth has left you; will show their own
virtue。 Remember what I have said; and consider yet this further
point: friends admonish the lover under the idea that his way of
life is bad; but no one of his kindred ever yet censured the
non…lover; or thought that he was ill…advised about his own interests。
〃Perhaps you will ask me whether I propose that you should indulge
every non…lover。 To which I reply that not even the lover would advise
you to indulge all lovers; for the indiscriminate favour is less
esteemed by the rational recipient; and less easily hidden by him
who would escape the censure of the world。 Now love ought to be for
the advantage of both parties; and for the injury of neither。
〃I believe that I have said enough; but if there is anything more
which you desire or which in your opinion needs to be supplied; ask
and I will answer。〃
Now; Socrates; what do you think? Is not the discourse excellent;
more especially in the matter of the language?
Soc。 Yes; quite admirable; the effect on me was ravishing。 And
this I owe to you; Phaedrus; for I observed you while reading to be in
an ecstasy; and thinking that you are more experienced in these
matters than I am; I followed your example; and; like you; my divine
darling; I became inspired with a phrenzy。
Phaedr。 Indeed; you are pleased to be merry。
Soc。 Do you mean that I am not in earnest?
Phaedr。 Now don't talk in that way; Socrates; but let me have your
real opinion; I adjure you; by Zeus; the god of friendship; to tell me
whether you think that any Hellene could have said more or spoken
better on the same subject。
Soc。 Well; but are you and I expected to praise the sentiments of
the author; or only the clearness; and roundness; and finish; and
tournure of the language? As to the first I willingly submit to your
better judgment; for I am not worthy to form an opinion; having only
attended to the rhetorical manner; and I was doubting whether this
could have been defended even by Lysias himself; I thought; though I
speak under correction; that he repeated himself two or three times;
either from want of words or from want of pains; and also; he appeared
to me ostentatiously to exult in showing how well he could say the
same thing in two or three ways。
Phaedr。 Nonsense; Socrates; what you call repetition was the
especial merit of the speech; for he omitted no topic of which the
subject rightly allowed; and I do not think that any one could have
spoken better or more exhaustively。
Soc。 There I cannot go along with you。 Ancient sages; men and women;
who have spoken and written of these things; would rise up in judgment
against me; if out of complaisance I assented to you。
Phaedr。 Who are they; and where did you hear anything better than
this?
Soc。 I am sure that I must have heard; but at this moment I do not
remember from whom; perhaps from Sappho the fair; or Anacreon the
wise; or; possibly; from a prose writer。 Why do I say so? Why; because
I perceive that my bosom is full; and that I could make another speech
as good as that of Lysias; and different。 Now I am certain that this
is not an invention of my own; who am well aware that I know
nothing; and therefore I can only infer that I have been filled
through the cars; like a pitcher; from the waters of another; though I
have actually forgotten in my stupidity who was my informant。
Phaedr。 That is grand:…but never mind where you beard the
discourse or from whom; let that be a mystery not to be divulged
even at my earnest desire。 Only; as you say; promise to make another
and better oration; equal in length and entirely new; on the same
subject; and I; like the nine Archons; will promise to set up a golden
image at Delphi; not only of myself; but of you; and as large as life。
Soc。 You are a dear golden ass if you suppose me to mean that Lysias
has altogether missed the mark; and that I can make a speech from
which all his arguments are to be excluded。 The worst of authors
will say something which is to the point。 Who; for example; could
speak on this thesis of yours without praising the discretion of the
non…lover and blaming the indiscretion of the lover? These are the
commonplaces of the subject which must come in (for what else is there
to be said?) and must be allowed and excused; the only merit is in the
arrangement of them; for there can be none in the invention; but
when you leave the commonplaces; then there may be some originality。
Phaedr。 I admit that there is reason in what you say; and I too will
be reasonable; and will allow you to start with the premiss that the
lover is more disordered in his wits than the non…lover; if in what
remains you make a longer and better speech than Lysias; and use other
arguments; then I say again; that a statue you shall have of beaten
gold; and take your place by the colossal offerings of the Cypselids
at Olympia。
Soc。 How profoundly in earnest is the lover; because to tease him
I lay a finger upon his love! And so; Phaedrus; you really imagine
that I am going to improve upon the ingenuity of Lysias?
Phaedr。 There I have you as you had me; and you must just speak
〃as you best can。〃 Do not let us exchange 〃tu quoque〃 as in a farce;
or compel me to say to you as you said to me; 〃I know Socrates as well
as I know myself; and he was wanting to; speak; but he gave himself
airs。〃 Rather I would have you consider that from this place we stir
not until you have unbosomed yourself of the speech; for here are we
all alone; and I am stronger; remember; and younger than you…Wherefore
perpend; and do not compel me to use violence。
Soc。 But; my sweet Phaedrus; how ridiculous it would be of me to
compete with Lysias in an extempore speech! He is a master in his
art and I am an untaught man。
Phaedr。 You see how matters stand; and therefore let there be no
more pretences; for; indeed; I know the word that is irresistible。
Soc。 Then don't say it。
Phaedr。 Yes; but I will; and my word shall be an oath。 〃I say; or
rather swear〃…but what god will be witness of my oath?…〃By this
plane…tree I swear; that unless you repeat the discourse here in the
face of this very plane…tree; I will never tell you another; never let
you have word of another!