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arises not from passion; but from other associations。 Further; if we



ought to shower favours on those who are the most eager suitors;…on



that principle; we ought always to do good; not to the most



virtuous; but to the most needy; for they are the persons who will



be most relieved; and will therefore be the most grateful; and when



you make a feast you should invite not your friend; but the beggar and



the empty soul; for they will love you; and attend you; and come about



your doors; and will be the best pleased; and the most grateful; and



will invoke many a blessing on your head。 Yet surely you ought not



to be granting favours to those who besiege you with prayer; but to



those who are best able to reward you; nor to the lover only; but to



those who are worthy of love; nor to those who will enjoy the bloom of



your youth; but to those who will share their possessions with you



in age; nor to those who; having succeeded; will glory in their



success to others; but to those who will be modest and tell no



tales; nor to those who care about you for a moment only; but to those



who will continue your friends through life; nor to those who; when



their passion is over; will pick a quarrel with you; but rather to



those who; when the charm of youth has left you; will show their own



virtue。 Remember what I have said; and consider yet this further



point: friends admonish the lover under the idea that his way of



life is bad; but no one of his kindred ever yet censured the



non…lover; or thought that he was ill…advised about his own interests。



  〃Perhaps you will ask me whether I propose that you should indulge



every non…lover。 To which I reply that not even the lover would advise



you to indulge all lovers; for the indiscriminate favour is less



esteemed by the rational recipient; and less easily hidden by him



who would escape the censure of the world。 Now love ought to be for



the advantage of both parties; and for the injury of neither。



  〃I believe that I have said enough; but if there is anything more



which you desire or which in your opinion needs to be supplied; ask



and I will answer。〃



  Now; Socrates; what do you think? Is not the discourse excellent;



more especially in the matter of the language?



  Soc。 Yes; quite admirable; the effect on me was ravishing。 And



this I owe to you; Phaedrus; for I observed you while reading to be in



an ecstasy; and thinking that you are more experienced in these



matters than I am; I followed your example; and; like you; my divine



darling; I became inspired with a phrenzy。



  Phaedr。 Indeed; you are pleased to be merry。



  Soc。 Do you mean that I am not in earnest?



  Phaedr。 Now don't talk in that way; Socrates; but let me have your



real opinion; I adjure you; by Zeus; the god of friendship; to tell me



whether you think that any Hellene could have said more or spoken



better on the same subject。



  Soc。 Well; but are you and I expected to praise the sentiments of



the author; or only the clearness; and roundness; and finish; and



tournure of the language? As to the first I willingly submit to your



better judgment; for I am not worthy to form an opinion; having only



attended to the rhetorical manner; and I was doubting whether this



could have been defended even by Lysias himself; I thought; though I



speak under correction; that he repeated himself two or three times;



either from want of words or from want of pains; and also; he appeared



to me ostentatiously to exult in showing how well he could say the



same thing in two or three ways。



  Phaedr。 Nonsense; Socrates; what you call repetition was the



especial merit of the speech; for he omitted no topic of which the



subject rightly allowed; and I do not think that any one could have



spoken better or more exhaustively。



  Soc。 There I cannot go along with you。 Ancient sages; men and women;



who have spoken and written of these things; would rise up in judgment



against me; if out of complaisance I assented to you。



  Phaedr。 Who are they; and where did you hear anything better than



this?



  Soc。 I am sure that I must have heard; but at this moment I do not



remember from whom; perhaps from Sappho the fair; or Anacreon the



wise; or; possibly; from a prose writer。 Why do I say so? Why; because



I perceive that my bosom is full; and that I could make another speech



as good as that of Lysias; and different。 Now I am certain that this



is not an invention of my own; who am well aware that I know



nothing; and therefore I can only infer that I have been filled



through the cars; like a pitcher; from the waters of another; though I



have actually forgotten in my stupidity who was my informant。



  Phaedr。 That is grand:…but never mind where you beard the



discourse or from whom; let that be a mystery not to be divulged



even at my earnest desire。 Only; as you say; promise to make another



and better oration; equal in length and entirely new; on the same



subject; and I; like the nine Archons; will promise to set up a golden



image at Delphi; not only of myself; but of you; and as large as life。



  Soc。 You are a dear golden ass if you suppose me to mean that Lysias



has altogether missed the mark; and that I can make a speech from



which all his arguments are to be excluded。 The worst of authors



will say something which is to the point。 Who; for example; could



speak on this thesis of yours without praising the discretion of the



non…lover and blaming the indiscretion of the lover? These are the



commonplaces of the subject which must come in (for what else is there



to be said?) and must be allowed and excused; the only merit is in the



arrangement of them; for there can be none in the invention; but



when you leave the commonplaces; then there may be some originality。



  Phaedr。 I admit that there is reason in what you say; and I too will



be reasonable; and will allow you to start with the premiss that the



lover is more disordered in his wits than the non…lover; if in what



remains you make a longer and better speech than Lysias; and use other



arguments; then I say again; that a statue you shall have of beaten



gold; and take your place by the colossal offerings of the Cypselids



at Olympia。



  Soc。 How profoundly in earnest is the lover; because to tease him



I lay a finger upon his love! And so; Phaedrus; you really imagine



that I am going to improve upon the ingenuity of Lysias?



  Phaedr。 There I have you as you had me; and you must just speak



〃as you best can。〃 Do not let us exchange 〃tu quoque〃 as in a farce;



or compel me to say to you as you said to me; 〃I know Socrates as well



as I know myself; and he was wanting to; speak; but he gave himself



airs。〃 Rather I would have you consider that from this place we stir



not until you have unbosomed yourself of the speech; for here are we



all alone; and I am stronger; remember; and younger than you…Wherefore



perpend; and do not compel me to use violence。



  Soc。 But; my sweet Phaedrus; how ridiculous it would be of me to



compete with Lysias in an extempore speech! He is a master in his



art and I am an untaught man。



  Phaedr。 You see how matters stand; and therefore let there be no



more pretences; for; indeed; I know the word that is irresistible。



  Soc。 Then don't say it。



  Phaedr。 Yes; but I will; and my word shall be an oath。 〃I say; or



rather swear〃…but what god will be witness of my oath?…〃By this



plane…tree I swear; that unless you repeat the discourse here in the



face of this very plane…tree; I will never tell you another; never let



you have word of another!

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