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thought the subject of sound。

     。 What reason is there for that; Hylas?

     。 Because; when any motion is raised in the air; we
perceive a sound greater or lesser; according to the air's
motion; but without some motion in the air; we never hear any
sound at all。

     。 And granting that we never hear a sound but when
some motion is produced in the air; yet I do not see how you can
infer from thence; that the sound itself is in the air。

     。 It is this very motion in the external air that
produces in the mind the sensation of 。 For; striking on
the drum of the ear; it causeth a vibration; which by the
auditory nerves being communicated to the brain; the soul is
thereupon affected with the sensation called 。

     。 What! is sound then a sensation?

     。 I tell you; as perceived by us; it is a particular
sensation in the mind。

     。 And can any sensation exist without the mind?

     。 No; certainly。

     。 How then can sound; being a sensation; exist in the
air; if by the  you mean a senseless substance existing
without the mind?

     。 You must distinguish; Philonous; between sound as it
is {182} perceived by us; and as it is in itself; or (which is
the same thing) between the sound we immediately perceive; and
that which exists without us。 The former; indeed; is a particular
kind of sensation; but the latter is merely a vibrative or
undulatory motion the air。

     。 I thought I had already obviated that distinction;
by answer I gave when you were applying it in a like case before。
But; to say no more of that; are you sure then that sound is
really nothing but motion?

     。 I am。

     。 Whatever therefore agrees to real sound; may with
truth be attributed to motion?

     。 It may。

     。 It is then good sense to speak of  as of a
thing that is ; ; ; 。

     。  see you are resolved not to understand me。 Is it
not evident those accidents or modes belong only to sensible
sound; or  the common acceptation of the word; but not
to  in the real and philosophic sense; which; as I just
now told you; is nothing but a certain motion of the air?

     。 It seems then there are two sorts of sound  the
one vulgar; or that which is heard; the other philosophical and
real?

     。 Even so。

     。 And the latter consists in motion?

     。 I told you so before。

     。 Tell me; Hylas; to which of the senses; think you;
the idea of motion belongs? to the hearing?

     。 No; certainly; but to the sight and touch。

     。 It should follow then; that; according to you; real
sounds may possibly be ; but never 。

     。 Look you; Philonous; you may; if you please; make a
jest of my opinion; but that will not alter the truth of things。
I own; indeed; the inferences you draw me into sound something
oddly; but common language; you know; is framed by; and for the
use of the vulgar: we must not therefore wonder if expressions
adapted to exact philosophic notions seem uncouth and out of the
way。

     。 Is it come to that? I assure you; I imagine myself
to have gained no small point; since you make so light of
departing from common phrases and opinions; it being a main part
of our inquiry; to examine whose notions are widest of the {183}
common road; and most repugnant to the general sense of the
world。 But; can you think it no more than a philosophical
paradox; to say that ; and that the
idea of them is obtained by some other sense? And is there
nothing in this contrary to nature and the truth of things?

     。 To deal ingenuously; I do not like it。 And; after the
concessions already made; I had as well grant that sounds too
have no real being without the mind。

     。 And I hope you will make no difficulty to
acknowledge the same of 。

     。 Pardon me: the case of colours is very different。 Can
anything be plainer than that we see them on the objects?

     。 The objects you speak of are; I suppose; corporeal
Substances existing without the mind?

     。 They are。

     。 And have true and real colours inhering in them?

     。 Each visible object hath that colour which we see in
it。

     。 How! is there anything visible but what we perceive
by sight?

     。 There is not。

     。 And; do we perceive anything by sense which we do
not perceive immediately?

     。 How often must I be obliged to repeat the same thing?
I tell you; we do not。

     。 Have patience; good Hylas; and tell me once more;
whether there is anything immediately perceived by the senses;
except sensible qualities。 I know you asserted there was not; but
I would now be informed; whether you still persist in the same
opinion。

     。 I do。

     。 Pray; is your corporeal substance either a sensible
quality; or made up of sensible qualities?

     。 What a question that is! who ever thought it was?

     。 My reason for asking was; because in saying; ; you make
visible objects to be corporeal substances; which implies either
that corporeal substances are sensible qualities; or else that
there is something besides sensible qualities perceived by sight:
but; as this point was formerly agreed between us; and is still
maintained by you; it is a clear consequence; that your
 is nothing distinct from 。 {184}

     。 You may draw as many absurd consequences as you
please; and endeavour to perplex the plainest things; but you
shall never persuade me out of my senses。 I clearly understand my
own meaning。

     。 I wish you would make me understand it too。 But;
since you are unwilling to have your notion of corporeal
substance examined; I shall urge that point no farther。 Only be
pleased to let me know; whether the same colours which we see
exist in external bodies; or some other。

     。 The very same。

     。 What! are then the beautiful red and purple we see
on yonder clouds really in them? Or do you imagine they have in
themselves any other form than that of a dark mist or vapour?

     。 I must own; Philonous; those colours are not really
in the clouds as they seem to be at this distance。 They are only
apparent colours。

     。  call you them? how shall we distinguish
these apparent colours from real?

     。 Very easily。 Those are to be thought apparent which;
appearing only at a distance; vanish upon a nearer approach。

     。 And those; I suppose; are to be thought real which
are discovered by the most near and exact survey。

     。 Right。

     。 Is the nearest and exactest survey made by the help
of a microscope; or by the naked eye?

     。 By a microscope; doubtless。

     。 But a microscope often discovers colours in an
object different from those perceived by the unassisted sight。
And; in case we had microscopes magnifying to any assigned
degree; it is certain that no object whatsoever; viewed through
them; would appear in the same colour which it exhibits to the
naked eye。

     。 And what will you conclude from all this? You cannot
argue that there are really and naturally no colours on objects:
because by artificial managements they may be altered; or made to
vanish。

     。 I think it may evidently be concluded from your own
concessions; that all the colours we see with our naked eyes are
only apparent as those on the clouds; since they vanish upon a
more close and accurate inspection which is afforded us by a
microscope。 Then' as to what you say by way of prevention: {185}
I ask you whether the real and natural state of an object is
better discovered by a very sharp and piercing sight; or by one
which is less sharp?

     。 By the former without doubt。

     。 Is it not plain from  that microscop

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