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round and took their places behind him in perfect order。



  After him; as Homer says; 〃I lifted up my eyes and saw〃 Hippias



the Elean sitting in the opposite cloister on a chair of state; and



around him were seated on benches Eryximachus; the son of Acumenus;



and Phaedrus the Myrrhinusian; and Andron the son of Androtion; and



there were strangers whom he had brought with him from his native city



of Elis; and some others: they were putting to Hippias certain



physical and astronomical questions; and he; ex cathedra; was



determining their several questions to them; and discoursing of them。



  Also; 〃my eyes beheld Tantalus〃; for Prodicus the Cean was at



Athens: he had been lodged in a room which; in the days of Hipponicus;



was a storehouse; but; as the house was full; Callias had cleared this



out and made the room into a guest…chamber。 Now Prodicus was still



in bed; wrapped up in sheepskins and bed…clothes; of which there



seemed to be a great heap; and there was sitting by him on the couches



near; Pausanias of the deme of Cerameis; and with Pausanias was a



youth quite young; who is certainly remarkable for his good looks;



and; if I am not mistaken; is also of a fair and gentle nature。 I



thought that I heard him called Agathon; and my suspicion is that he



is the beloved of Pausanias。 There was this youth; and also there were



the two Adeimantuses; one the son of Cepis; and the other of



Leucolophides; and some others。 I was very anxious to hear what



Prodicus was saying; for he seems to me to be an all…wise and inspired



man; but I was not able to get into the inner circle; and his fine



deep voice made an echo in the room which rendered his words



inaudible。



  No sooner had we entered than there followed us Alcibiades the



beautiful; as you say; and I believe you; and also Critias the son



of Callaeschrus。



  On entering we stopped a little; in order to look about us; and then



walked up to Protagoras; and I said: Protagoras; my friend Hippocrates



and I have come to see you。



  Do you wish; he said; to speak with me alone; or in the presence



of the company?



  Whichever you please; I said; you shall determine when you have



heard the purpose of our visit。



  And what is your purpose? he said。



  I must explain; I said; that my friend Hippocrates is a native



Athenian; he is the son of Apollodorus; and of a great and



prosperous house; and he is himself in natural ability quite a match



for anybody of his own age。 I believe that he aspires to political



eminence; and this he thinks that conversation with you is most likely



to procure for him。 And now you can determine whether you would wish



to speak to him of your teaching alone or in the presence of the



company。



  Thank you; Socrates; for your consideration of me。 For certainly a



stranger finding his way into great cities; and persuading the



flower of the youth in them to leave company of their kinsmen or any



other acquaintances; old or young; and live with him; under the idea



that they will be improved by his conversation; ought to be very



cautious; great jealousies are aroused by his proceedings; and he is



the subject of many enmities and conspiracies。 Now the art of the



Sophist is; as I believe; of great antiquity; but in ancient times



those who practised it; fearing this odium; veiled and disguised



themselves under various names; some under that of poets; as Homer;



Hesiod; and Simonides; some; of hierophants and prophets; as Orpheus



and Musaeus; and some; as I observe; even under the name of



gymnastic…masters; like Iccus of Tarentum; or the more recently



celebrated Herodicus; now of Selymbria and formerly of Megara; who



is a first…rate Sophist。 Your own Agathocles pretended to be a



musician; but was really an eminent Sophist; also Pythocleides the



Cean; and there were many others; and all of them; as I was saying;



adopted these arts as veils or disguises because they were afraid of



the odium which they would incur。 But that is not my way; for I do not



believe that they effected their purpose; which was to deceive the



government; who were not blinded by them; and as to the people; they



have no understanding; and only repeat what their rulers are pleased



to tell them。 Now to run away; and to be caught in running away; is



the very height of folly; and also greatly increases the



exasperation of mankind; for they regard him who runs away as a rogue;



in addition to any other objections which they have to him; and



therefore I take an entirely opposite course; and acknowledge myself



to be a Sophist and instructor of mankind; such an open



acknowledgement appears to me to be a better sort of caution than



concealment。 Nor do I neglect other precautions; and therefore I hope;



as I may say; by the favour of heaven that no harm will come of the



acknowledgment that I am a Sophist。 And I have been now many years



in the profession…for all my years when added up are many: there is no



one here present of whom I might not be the father。 Wherefore I should



much prefer conversing with you; if you want to speak with me; in



the presence of the company。



  As I suspected that he would like to have a little display and



glorification in the presence of Prodicus and Hippias; and would



gladly show us to them in the light of his admirers; I said: But why



should we not summon Prodicus and Hippias and their friends to hear



us?



  Very good; he said。



  Suppose; said Callias; that we hold a council in which you may sit



and discuss。…This was agreed upon; and great delight was felt at the



prospect of hearing wise men talk; we ourselves took the chairs and



benches; and arranged them by Hippias; where the other benches had



been already placed。 Meanwhile Callias and Alcibiades got Prodicus out



of bed and brought in him and his companions。



  When we were all seated; Protagoras said: Now that the company are



assembled; Socrates; tell me about the youngman of whom you were



just now speaking。



  I replied: I will begin again at the same point; Protagoras; and



tell you once more the purport of my visit: this is my friend



Hippocrates; who is desirous of making your acquaintance; he would



like to know what will happen to him if he associates with you。 I have



no more to say。



  Protagoras answered: Young man; if you associate with me; on the



very first day you will return home a better man than you came; and



better on the second day than on the first; and better every day



than you were on the day before。



  When I heard this; I said: Protagoras; I do not at all wonder at



hearing you say this; even at your age; and with all your wisdom; if



any one were to teach you what you did not know before; you would



become better no doubt: but please to answer in a different way…I will



explain how by an example。 Let me suppose that Hippocrates; instead of



desiring your acquaintance; wished to become acquainted with the young



man Zeuxippus of Heraclea; who has lately been in Athens; and he had



come to him as he has come to you; and had heard him say; as he has



heard you say; that every day he would grow and become better if he



associated with him: and then suppose that he were to ask him; 〃In



what shall I become better; and in what shall I grow?〃…Zeuxippus would



answer; 〃In painting。〃 And suppose that he went to Orthagoras the



Theban; and heard him say the same thing; and asked him; 〃In what



shall I become better day by day?〃 he would reply; 〃In flute…playing。〃



Now I want you to make the same sort of answer to this young man and



to me; who am asking questions on his account。 When you say that on



the first day on which he associates with you he will return home a



better man; and on every day will grow in like manner;…In what;



Protagoras; will he be better? and abo

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