protagoras-第3章
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round and took their places behind him in perfect order。
After him; as Homer says; 〃I lifted up my eyes and saw〃 Hippias
the Elean sitting in the opposite cloister on a chair of state; and
around him were seated on benches Eryximachus; the son of Acumenus;
and Phaedrus the Myrrhinusian; and Andron the son of Androtion; and
there were strangers whom he had brought with him from his native city
of Elis; and some others: they were putting to Hippias certain
physical and astronomical questions; and he; ex cathedra; was
determining their several questions to them; and discoursing of them。
Also; 〃my eyes beheld Tantalus〃; for Prodicus the Cean was at
Athens: he had been lodged in a room which; in the days of Hipponicus;
was a storehouse; but; as the house was full; Callias had cleared this
out and made the room into a guest…chamber。 Now Prodicus was still
in bed; wrapped up in sheepskins and bed…clothes; of which there
seemed to be a great heap; and there was sitting by him on the couches
near; Pausanias of the deme of Cerameis; and with Pausanias was a
youth quite young; who is certainly remarkable for his good looks;
and; if I am not mistaken; is also of a fair and gentle nature。 I
thought that I heard him called Agathon; and my suspicion is that he
is the beloved of Pausanias。 There was this youth; and also there were
the two Adeimantuses; one the son of Cepis; and the other of
Leucolophides; and some others。 I was very anxious to hear what
Prodicus was saying; for he seems to me to be an all…wise and inspired
man; but I was not able to get into the inner circle; and his fine
deep voice made an echo in the room which rendered his words
inaudible。
No sooner had we entered than there followed us Alcibiades the
beautiful; as you say; and I believe you; and also Critias the son
of Callaeschrus。
On entering we stopped a little; in order to look about us; and then
walked up to Protagoras; and I said: Protagoras; my friend Hippocrates
and I have come to see you。
Do you wish; he said; to speak with me alone; or in the presence
of the company?
Whichever you please; I said; you shall determine when you have
heard the purpose of our visit。
And what is your purpose? he said。
I must explain; I said; that my friend Hippocrates is a native
Athenian; he is the son of Apollodorus; and of a great and
prosperous house; and he is himself in natural ability quite a match
for anybody of his own age。 I believe that he aspires to political
eminence; and this he thinks that conversation with you is most likely
to procure for him。 And now you can determine whether you would wish
to speak to him of your teaching alone or in the presence of the
company。
Thank you; Socrates; for your consideration of me。 For certainly a
stranger finding his way into great cities; and persuading the
flower of the youth in them to leave company of their kinsmen or any
other acquaintances; old or young; and live with him; under the idea
that they will be improved by his conversation; ought to be very
cautious; great jealousies are aroused by his proceedings; and he is
the subject of many enmities and conspiracies。 Now the art of the
Sophist is; as I believe; of great antiquity; but in ancient times
those who practised it; fearing this odium; veiled and disguised
themselves under various names; some under that of poets; as Homer;
Hesiod; and Simonides; some; of hierophants and prophets; as Orpheus
and Musaeus; and some; as I observe; even under the name of
gymnastic…masters; like Iccus of Tarentum; or the more recently
celebrated Herodicus; now of Selymbria and formerly of Megara; who
is a first…rate Sophist。 Your own Agathocles pretended to be a
musician; but was really an eminent Sophist; also Pythocleides the
Cean; and there were many others; and all of them; as I was saying;
adopted these arts as veils or disguises because they were afraid of
the odium which they would incur。 But that is not my way; for I do not
believe that they effected their purpose; which was to deceive the
government; who were not blinded by them; and as to the people; they
have no understanding; and only repeat what their rulers are pleased
to tell them。 Now to run away; and to be caught in running away; is
the very height of folly; and also greatly increases the
exasperation of mankind; for they regard him who runs away as a rogue;
in addition to any other objections which they have to him; and
therefore I take an entirely opposite course; and acknowledge myself
to be a Sophist and instructor of mankind; such an open
acknowledgement appears to me to be a better sort of caution than
concealment。 Nor do I neglect other precautions; and therefore I hope;
as I may say; by the favour of heaven that no harm will come of the
acknowledgment that I am a Sophist。 And I have been now many years
in the profession…for all my years when added up are many: there is no
one here present of whom I might not be the father。 Wherefore I should
much prefer conversing with you; if you want to speak with me; in
the presence of the company。
As I suspected that he would like to have a little display and
glorification in the presence of Prodicus and Hippias; and would
gladly show us to them in the light of his admirers; I said: But why
should we not summon Prodicus and Hippias and their friends to hear
us?
Very good; he said。
Suppose; said Callias; that we hold a council in which you may sit
and discuss。…This was agreed upon; and great delight was felt at the
prospect of hearing wise men talk; we ourselves took the chairs and
benches; and arranged them by Hippias; where the other benches had
been already placed。 Meanwhile Callias and Alcibiades got Prodicus out
of bed and brought in him and his companions。
When we were all seated; Protagoras said: Now that the company are
assembled; Socrates; tell me about the youngman of whom you were
just now speaking。
I replied: I will begin again at the same point; Protagoras; and
tell you once more the purport of my visit: this is my friend
Hippocrates; who is desirous of making your acquaintance; he would
like to know what will happen to him if he associates with you。 I have
no more to say。
Protagoras answered: Young man; if you associate with me; on the
very first day you will return home a better man than you came; and
better on the second day than on the first; and better every day
than you were on the day before。
When I heard this; I said: Protagoras; I do not at all wonder at
hearing you say this; even at your age; and with all your wisdom; if
any one were to teach you what you did not know before; you would
become better no doubt: but please to answer in a different way…I will
explain how by an example。 Let me suppose that Hippocrates; instead of
desiring your acquaintance; wished to become acquainted with the young
man Zeuxippus of Heraclea; who has lately been in Athens; and he had
come to him as he has come to you; and had heard him say; as he has
heard you say; that every day he would grow and become better if he
associated with him: and then suppose that he were to ask him; 〃In
what shall I become better; and in what shall I grow?〃…Zeuxippus would
answer; 〃In painting。〃 And suppose that he went to Orthagoras the
Theban; and heard him say the same thing; and asked him; 〃In what
shall I become better day by day?〃 he would reply; 〃In flute…playing。〃
Now I want you to make the same sort of answer to this young man and
to me; who am asking questions on his account。 When you say that on
the first day on which he associates with you he will return home a
better man; and on every day will grow in like manner;…In what;
Protagoras; will he be better? and abo