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know them?



  Just so; he said; and that; in my opinion; is a far truer account of



the teaching of Protagoras。



  I said: I wonder whether you know what you are doing?



  And what am I doing?



  You are going to commit your soul to the care of a man whom you call



a Sophist。 And yet I hardly think that you know what a Sophist is; and



if not; then you do not even know to whom you are committing your soul



and whether the thing to which you commit yourself be good or evil。



  I certainly think that I do know; he replied。



  Then tell me; what do you imagine that he is?



  I take him to be one who knows wise things; he replied; as his



name implies。



  And might you not; I said; affirm this of the painter and of the



carpenter also: Do not they; too; know wise things? But suppose a



person were to ask us: In what are the painters wise? We should



answer: In what relates to the making of likenesses; and similarly



of other things。 And if he were further to ask: What is the wisdom



of the Sophist; and what is the manufacture over which he



presides?…how should we answer him?



  How should we answer him; Socrates? What other answer could there be



but that he presides over the art which makes men eloquent?



  Yes; I replied; that is very likely true; but not enough; for in the



answer a further question is involved: Of what does the Sophist make a



man talk eloquently? The player on the lyre may be supposed to make



a man talk eloquently about that which he makes him understand; that



is about playing the lyre。 Is not that true?



  Yes。



  Then about what does the Sophist make him eloquent? Must not he make



him eloquent in that which he understands?



  Yes; that may be assumed。



  And what is that which the Sophist knows and makes his disciple



know?



  Indeed; he said; I cannot tell。



  Then I proceeded to say: Well; but are you aware of the danger which



you are incurring? If you were going to commit your body to some



one; who might do good or harm to it; would you not carefully consider



and ask the opinion of your friends and kindred; and deliberate many



days as to whether you should give him the care of your body? But when



the soul is in question; which you hold to be of far more value than



the body; and upon the good or evil of which depends the well…being of



your all;…about this never consulted either with your father or with



your brother or with any one of us who are your companions。 But no



sooner does this foreigner appear; than you instantly commit your soul



to his keeping。 In the evening; as you say; you hear of him; and in



the morning you go to him; never deliberating or taking the opinion of



any one as to whether you ought to intrust yourself to him or not;…you



have quite made up your mind that you will at all hazards be a pupil



of Protagoras; and are prepared to expend all the property of yourself



and of your friends in carrying out at any price this determination;



although; as you admit; you do not know him; and have never spoken



with him: and you call him a Sophist; but are manifestly ignorant of



what a Sophist is; and yet you are going to commit yourself to his



keeping。



  When he heard me say this; he replied: No other inference; Socrates;



can be drawn from your words。



  I proceeded: Is not a Sophist; Hippocrates; one who deals



wholesale or retail in the food of the soul? To me that appears to



be his nature。



  And what; Socrates; is the food of the soul?



  Surely; I said; knowledge is the food of the soul; and we must



take care; my friend; that the Sophist does not deceive us when he



praises what he sells; like the dealers wholesale or retail who sell



the food of the body; for they praise indiscriminately all their



goods; without knowing what are really beneficial or hurtful:



neither do their customers know; with the exception of any trainer



or physician who may happen to buy of them。 In like manner those who



carry about the wares of knowledge; and make the round of the



cities; and sell or retail them to any customer who is in want of



them; praise them all alike; though I should not wonder; O my



friend; if many of them were really ignorant of their effect upon



the soul; and their customers equally ignorant; unless he who buys



of them happens to be a physician of the soul。 If; therefore; you have



understanding of what is good and evil; you may safely buy knowledge



of Protagoras or of any one; but if not; then; O my friend; pause; and



do not hazard your dearest interests at a game of chance。 For there is



far greater peril in buying knowledge than in buying meat and drink:



the one you purchase of the wholesale or retail dealer; and carry them



away in other vessels; and before you receive them into the body as



food; you may deposit them at home and call in any experienced



friend who knows what is good to be eaten or drunken; and what not;



and how much; and when; and then the danger of purchasing them is



not so great。 But you cannot buy the wares of knowledge and carry them



away in another vessel; when you have paid for them you must receive



them into the soul and go your way; either greatly harmed or greatly



benefited; and therefore we should deliberate and take counsel with



our elders; for we are still young…too young to determine such a



matter。 And now let us go; as we were intending; and hear



Protagoras; and when we have heard what he has to say; we may take



counsel of others; for not only is Protagoras at the house of Callias;



but there is Hippias of Elis; and; if I am not mistaken; Prodicus of



Ceos; and several other wise men。



  To this we agreed; and proceeded on our way until we reached the



vestibule of the house; and there we stopped in order to conclude a



discussion which had arisen between us as we were going along; and



we stood talking in the vestibule until we had finished and come to an



understanding。 And I think that the doorkeeper; who was a eunuch;



and who was probably annoyed at the great inroad of the Sophists; must



have heard us talking。 At any rate; when we knocked at the door; and



he opened and saw us; he grumbled: They are Sophists …he is not at



home; and instantly gave the door a hearty bang with both his hands。



Again we knocked; and he answered without opening: Did you not hear me



say that he is not at home; fellows? But; my friend; I said; you



need not be alarmed; for we are not Sophists; and we are not come to



see Callias; but we want to see Protagoras; and I must request you



to announce us。 At last; after a good deal of difficulty; the man



was persuaded to open the door。



  When we entered; we found Protagoras taking a walk in the



cloister; and next to him; on one side; were walking Callias; the



son of Hipponicus; and Paralus; the son of Pericles; who; by the



mother's side; is his half…brother; and Charmides; the son of Glaucon。



On the other side of him were Xanthippus; the other son of Pericles;



Philippides; the son of Philomelus; also Antimoerus of Mende; who of



all the disciples of Protagoras is the most famous; and intends to



make sophistry his profession。 A train of listeners followed him;



the greater part of them appeared to be foreigners; whom Protagoras



had brought with him out of the various cities visited by him in his



journeys; he; like Orpheus; attracting them his voice; and they



following。 I should mention also that there were some Athenians in the



company。 Nothing delighted me more than the precision of their



movements: they never got into his way at all; but when he and those



who were with him turned back; then the band of listeners parted



regularly on either side; he was always in front; and they wheeled



round and took their places behind him in perfect order。



  After him; as Homer says; 〃I lifted up my eyes

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