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                                     380 BC



                                   PROTAGORAS



                                    by Plato



                         translated by Benjamin Jowett



PROTAGORAS



  PERSONS OF THE DIALOGUE: SOCRATES; who is the narrator of the



Dialogue to his Companion; HIPPOCRATES; ALCIBIADES; CRINAS;



PROTAGORAS; HIPPIAS; PRODICUS; Sophists; CALLIAS; a wealthy



Athenian。 Scene: The House of Callias







  Com。 Where do you come from; Socrates? And yet I need hardly ask the



question; for I know that you have been in chase of the fair



Alcibiades。 I saw the day before yesterday; and he had got a beard



like a man…and he is a man; as I may tell you in your ear。 But I



thought that he was still very charming。



  Soc。 What of his beard? Are you not of Homer's opinion; who says







     Youth is most charming when the beard first appears?







And that is now the charm of Alcibiades。



  Com。 Well; and how do matters proceed? Have you been visiting him;



and was he gracious to you?



  Soc。 Yes; I thought that he was very gracious; and especially



to…day; for I have just come from him; and he has been helping me in



an argument。 But shall I tell you a strange thing? I paid no attention



to him; and several times I quite forgot that he was present。



  Com。 What is the meaning of this? Has anything happened between



you and him? For surely you cannot have discovered a fairer love



than he is; certainly not in this city of Athens。



  Soc。 Yes; much fairer。



  Com。 What do you mean…a citizen or a foreigner?



  Soc。 A foreigner。



  Com。 Of what country?



  Soc。 Of Abdera。



  Com。 And is this stranger really in your opinion a fairer love



than the son of Cleinias?



  Soc。 And is not the wiser always the fairer; sweet friend?



  Com。 But have you really met; Socrates; with some wise one?



  Soc。 Say rather; with the wisest of all living men; if you are



willing to accord that title to Protagoras。



  Com。 What! Is Protagoras in Athens?



  Soc。 Yes; he has been here two days。



  Com。 And do you just come from an interview with him?



  Soc。 Yes; and I have heard and said many things。



  Com。 Then; if you have no engagement; suppose that you sit down tell



me what passed; and my attendant here shall give up his place to you。



  Soc。 To be sure; and I shall be grateful to you for listening。



  Com。 Thank you; too; for telling us。



  Soc。 That is thank you twice over。 Listen then:…



  Last night; or rather very early this morning; Hippocrates; the



son of Apollodorus and the brother of Phason; gave a tremendous



thump with his staff at my door; some one opened to him; and he came



rushing in and bawled out: Socrates; are you awake or asleep?



  I knew his voice; and said: Hippocrates; is that you? and do you



bring any news?



  Good news; he said; nothing but good。



  Delightful; I said; but what is the news? and why have you come



hither at this unearthly hour?



  He drew nearer to me and said: Protagoras is come。



  Yes; I replied; he came two days ago: have you only just heard of



his arrival?



  Yes; by the gods; he said; but not until yesterday evening。



  At the same time he felt for the truckle…bed; and sat down at my



feet; and then he said: Yesterday quite late in the evening; on my



return from Oenoe whither I had gone in pursuit of my runaway slave



Satyrus; as I meant to have told you; if some other matter had not



come in the way;…on my return; when we had done supper and were



about to retire to rest; my brother said to me: Protagoras is come。



I was going to you at once; and then I thought that the night was



far spent。 But the moment sleep left me after my fatigue; I got up and



came hither direct。



  I; who knew the very courageous madness of the man; said: What is



the matter? Has Protagoras robbed you of anything?



  He replied; laughing: Yes; indeed he has; Socrates; of the wisdom



which he keeps from me。



  But; surely; I said; if you give him money; and make friends with



him; he will make you as wise as he is himself。





  Would to heaven; he replied; that this were the case! He might



take all that I have; and all that my friends have; if he pleased。 But



that is why I have come to you now; in order that you may speak to him



on my behalf; for I am young; and also I have never seen nor heard



him; (when he visited Athens before I was but a child) and all men



praise him; Socrates; he is reputed to be the most accomplished of



speakers。 There is no reason why we should not go to him at once;



and then we shall find him at home。 He lodges; as I hear; with Callias



the son of Hipponicus: let us start。



  I replied: Not yet; my good friend; the hour is too early。 But let



us rise and take a turn in the court and wait about there until



daybreak; when the day breaks; then we will go。 For Protagoras is



generally at home; and we shall be sure to find him; never fear。



  Upon this we got up and walked about in the court; and I thought



that I would make trial of the strength of his resolution。 So I



examined him and put questions to him。 Tell me; Hippocrates; I said;



as you are going to Protagoras; and will be paying your money to



him; what is he to whom you are going? and what will he make of you?



If; for example; you had thought of going to Hippocrates of Cos; the



Asclepiad; and were about to give him your money; and some one had



said to you: You are paying money to your namesake Hippocrates; O



Hippocrates; tell me; what is he that you give him money? how would



you have answered?



  I should say; he replied; that I gave money to him as a physician。



  And what will he make of you?



  A physician; he said。



  And if you were resolved to go to Polycleitus the Argive; or



Pheidias the Athenian; and were intending to give them money; and some



one had asked you: What are Polycleitus and Pheidias? and why do you



give them this money?…how would you have answered?



  I should have answered; that they were statuaries。



  And what will they make of you?



  A statuary; of course。



  Well now; I said; you and I are going to Protagoras; and we are



ready to pay him money on your behalf。 If our own means are



sufficient; and we can gain him with these; we shall be only too glad;



but if not; then we are to spend the money of your friends as well。



Now suppose; that while we are thus enthusiastically pursuing our



object some one were to say to us: Tell me; Socrates; and you



Hippocrates; what is Protagoras; and why are you going to pay him



money;…how should we answer? I know that Pheidias is a sculptor; and



that Homer is a poet; but what appellation is given to Protagoras? how



is he designated?



  They call him a Sophist; Socrates; he replied。



  Then we are going to pay our money to him in the character of a



Sophist?



  Certainly。



  But suppose a person were to ask this further question: And how



about yourself? What will Protagoras make of you; if you go to see



him?



  He answered; with a blush upon his face (for the day was just



beginning to dawn; so that I could see him): Unless this differs in



some way from the former instances; I suppose that he will make a



Sophist of me。



  By the gods; I said; and are you not ashamed at having to appear



before the Hellenes in the character of a Sophist?



  Indeed; Socrates; to confess the truth; I am。



  But you should not assume; Hippocrates; that the instruction of



Protagoras is of this nature: may you not learn of him in the same way



that you learned the arts of the grammarian; musician; or trainer; not



with the view of making any of them a profession; but only as a part



of education; and because a private gentleman and freeman ought to



know them?



  Just so; he said; and that; in my opinion; is 

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