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is given by custom and not by likeness; for custom may indicate by the

unlike as well as by the like。  But as we are agreed thus far; Cratylus

(for I shall assume that your silence gives consent); then custom and

convention must be supposed to contribute to the indication of our

thoughts; for suppose we take the instance of number; how can you ever

imagine; my good friend; that you will find names resembling every

individual number; unless you allow that which you term convention and

agreement to have authority in determining the correctness of names?  I

quite agree with you that words should as far as possible resemble things;

but I fear that this dragging in of resemblance; as Hermogenes says; is a

shabby thing; which has to be supplemented by the mechanical aid of

convention with a view to correctness; for I believe that if we could

always; or almost always; use likenesses; which are perfectly appropriate;

this would be the most perfect state of language; as the opposite is the

most imperfect。  But let me ask you; what is the force of names; and what

is the use of them?



CRATYLUS:  The use of names; Socrates; as I should imagine; is to inform: 

the simple truth is; that he who knows names knows also the things which

are expressed by them。



SOCRATES:  I suppose you mean to say; Cratylus; that as the name is; so

also is the thing; and that he who knows the one will also know the other;

because they are similars; and all similars fall under the same art or

science; and therefore you would say that he who knows names will also know

things。



CRATYLUS:  That is precisely what I mean。



SOCRATES:  But let us consider what is the nature of this information about

things which; according to you; is given us by names。  Is it the best sort

of information? or is there any other?  What do you say?



CRATYLUS:  I believe that to be both the only and the best sort of

information about them; there can be no other。



SOCRATES:  But do you believe that in the discovery of them; he who

discovers the names discovers also the things; or is this only the method

of instruction; and is there some other method of enquiry and discovery。



CRATYLUS:  I certainly believe that the methods of enquiry and discovery

are of the same nature as instruction。



SOCRATES:  Well; but do you not see; Cratylus; that he who follows names in

the search after things; and analyses their meaning; is in great danger of

being deceived?



CRATYLUS:  How so?



SOCRATES:  Why clearly he who first gave names gave them according to his

conception of the things which they signifieddid he not?



CRATYLUS:  True。



SOCRATES:  And if his conception was erroneous; and he gave names according

to his conception; in what position shall we who are his followers find

ourselves?  Shall we not be deceived by him?



CRATYLUS:  But; Socrates; am I not right in thinking that he must surely

have known; or else; as I was saying; his names would not be names at all? 

And you have a clear proof that he has not missed the truth; and the proof

isthat he is perfectly consistent。  Did you ever observe in speaking that

all the words which you utter have a common character and purpose?



SOCRATES:  But that; friend Cratylus; is no answer。  For if he did begin in

error; he may have forced the remainder into agreement with the original

error and with himself; there would be nothing strange in this; any more

than in geometrical diagrams; which have often a slight and invisible flaw

in the first part of the process; and are consistently mistaken in the long

deductions which follow。  And this is the reason why every man should

expend his chief thought and attention on the consideration of his first

principles:are they or are they not rightly laid down? and when he has

duly sifted them; all the rest will follow。  Now I should be astonished to

find that names are really consistent。  And here let us revert to our

former discussion:  Were we not saying that all things are in motion and

progress and flux; and that this idea of motion is expressed by names?  Do

you not conceive that to be the meaning of them?



CRATYLUS:  Yes; that is assuredly their meaning; and the true meaning。



SOCRATES:  Let us revert to episteme (knowledge) and observe how ambiguous

this word is; seeming rather to signify stopping the soul at things than

going round with them; and therefore we should leave the beginning as at

present; and not reject the epsilon; but make an insertion of an iota

instead of an epsilon (not pioteme; but epiisteme)。  Take another example: 

bebaion (sure) is clearly the expression of station and position; and not

of motion。  Again; the word istoria (enquiry) bears upon the face of it the

stopping (istanai) of the stream; and the word piston (faithful) certainly

indicates cessation of motion; then; again; mneme (memory); as any one may

see; expresses rest in the soul; and not motion。  Moreover; words such as

amartia and sumphora; which have a bad sense; viewed in the light of their

etymologies will be the same as sunesis and episteme and other words which

have a good sense (compare omartein; sunienai; epesthai; sumpheresthai);

and much the same may be said of amathia and akolasia; for amathia may be

explained as e ama theo iontos poreia; and akolasia as e akolouthia tois

pragmasin。  Thus the names which in these instances we find to have the

worst sense; will turn out to be framed on the same principle as those

which have the best。  And any one I believe who would take the trouble

might find many other examples in which the giver of names indicates; not

that things are in motion or progress; but that they are at rest; which is

the opposite of motion。



CRATYLUS:  Yes; Socrates; but observe; the greater number express motion。



SOCRATES:  What of that; Cratylus?  Are we to count them like votes? and is

correctness of names the voice of the majority?  Are we to say of whichever

sort there are most; those are the true ones?



CRATYLUS:  No; that is not reasonable。



SOCRATES:  Certainly not。  But let us have done with this question and

proceed to another; about which I should like to know whether you think

with me。  Were we not lately acknowledging that the first givers of names

in states; both Hellenic and barbarous; were the legislators; and that the

art which gave names was the art of the legislator?



CRATYLUS:  Quite true。



SOCRATES:  Tell me; then; did the first legislators; who were the givers of

the first names; know or not know the things which they named?



CRATYLUS:  They must have known; Socrates。



SOCRATES:  Why; yes; friend Cratylus; they could hardly have been ignorant。



CRATYLUS:  I should say not。



SOCRATES:  Let us return to the point from which we digressed。  You were

saying; if you remember; that he who gave names must have known the things

which he named; are you still of that opinion?



CRATYLUS:  I am。



SOCRATES:  And would you say that the giver of the first names had also a

knowledge of the things which he named?



CRATYLUS:  I should。



SOCRATES:  But how could he have learned or discovered things from names if

the primitive names were not yet given?  For; if we are correct in our

view; the only way of learning and discovering things; is either to

discover names for ourselves or to learn them from others。



CRATYLUS:  I think that there is a good deal in what you say; Socrates。



SOCRATES:  But if things are only to be known through names; how can we

suppose that the givers of names had knowledge; or were legislators before

there were names at all; and therefore before they could have known them?



CRATYLUS:  I believe; Socrates; the true account of the matter to be; that

a power more than human gave things their first names; and that the names

which are thus given are necessarily their true names。



SOCRATES:  Then how came the giver of the names; if he was an inspired

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